Monday, May 08, 2006

A Word on Socialism

Troutsky declares:

I am still prepared to argue that theoretical socialism, though it has never existed, is a preferable system on moral grounds and a likely next historical phase based on scientific reasons and am undeterred that this might be described as "utopian" thinking.

We must determine whether, in fact, socialism is a system preferable to capitalism on moral grounds. We must then determine whether an ideal system should be judged based on the theorized good it purports to bring or rather based on its fruit, even in a bastardized form.

First, is Socialism morally preferable? My morals are drawn from the Roman Catholic Church, which draws from both the Scriptures as well as Tradition. We go to the former first. In Acts 4:32, we read, “The community of believers was of one heart and mind, and no one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they had everything in common.” This is taken as a nod to socialism as the favored form of government of the early church. Yet the next few verses are necessary for proper perspective.

“There was no needy person among them, for those who owned property or houses would sell them, bring the proceeds of the sale, and put them at the feet of the apostles, and they were distributed to each according to need.” (Acts 4:35 and 36) The church did hold things in common, but the choice of what to sell was left to the individual believers, with the task of distribution falling to the disciples. Marx summarizes his economic philosophy as the abolition of private property. This is altogether different from that of the early church. If property was simply to be abolished, Peter would have seized everything and sold it himself. He did not. Willful participation is crucial to those who belong to the Kingdom. Further, this was done without the involvement of the government, and is far more akin to the distributism advocated by Belloc, Chesterton and others.

Since humans, being subjective creatures, are prone to pick and choose what they like best from Scripture, the Catholic Church vociferously defends the faith, and at times the Pope issues encyclicals to promulgate Catholic thought.

As a brief aside, the Church is often maligned for being behind the times. Those who prescribe to this nonsense would be surprised to learn the date of the famous encyclical, Rerum Novarum, On Capital and Labor: 1891. Those darn Catholics and being behind the times. But I digress.

Pope Leo XIII observes:

[S]ocialists... are striving to do away with private property, and contend that individual possessions should become the common property of all, to be administered by the State or by municipal bodies. They hold that by thus transferring property from private individuals to the community, the present mischievous state of things will be set to rights, inasmuch as each citizen will then get his fair share of whatever there is to enjoy. But their contentions are so clearly powerless to end the controversy that were they carried into effect the working man himself would be among the first to suffer. They are, moreover, emphatically unjust, for they would rob the lawful possessor, distort the functions of the State, and create utter confusion in the community.

The Vicar of Christ on earth not only utters the common criticism, namely that socialism is untenable, but, in fact, that it is unjust. He then explains why:

It is surely undeniable that, when a man engages in remunerative labor, the impelling reason and motive of his work is to obtain property, and thereafter to hold it as his very own... Socialists, therefore, by endeavoring to transfer the possessions of individuals to the community at large, strike at the interests of every wage-earner, since they would deprive him of the liberty of disposing of his wages, and thereby of all hope and possibility of increasing his resources and of bettering his condition in life.

What is of far greater moment, however, is the fact that the remedy they propose is manifestly against justice. For, every man has by nature the right to possess property as his own. This is one of the chief points of distinction between man and the animal creation... One of these instincts is self preservation, the other the propagation of the species. Both can attain their purpose by means of things which lie within range; beyond their verge the brute creation cannot go, for they are moved to action by their senses only, and in the special direction which these suggest... And on this very account - that man alone among the animal creation is endowed with reason - it must be within his right to possess things not merely for temporary and momentary use, as other living things do, but to have and to hold them in stable and permanent possession; he must have not only things that perish in the use, but those also which, though they have been reduced into use, continue for further use in after time.

I cannot but feel a bit ashamed at having to extract mere excerpts from what is a beautiful letter through and through, and an example of liberal, in the classic sense, Catholic thought. For the Pope then goes on to explain errors of capitalism, that, though not remediable by socialism, are yet to be corrected within the same system.

Now, we do not need to examine socialism's failings in practice since it has already been deemed insufficient in theory, at least to the Catholic, and hopefully to the Christian, who, though he might reject papal authority on all doctrinal matters, might still yield to good sense. It should be noted that the inability for socialism to reach fruition might be due, not to bad luck or poor circumstances, but bad theory in and of itself. To draw an analogy, I have designed many a play in my amateur career as a backyard quarterback. Some have been deemed, by yours truly, as worthy of the mind of Lombardi himself. And though it is possible that my brother's inability to seal the corner or adequately sell the fake bear the blame, it is perhaps more likely that my play-making prowess is more akin to Dennis Green than to the Packer legend.

Most important though, for the moment, is the issue of justice. If the Pope is mistaken, I have no doubt that Troutsky will alert me to his error. If his judgment is sound, we must think up and work on alternatives to socialism—such as distributism—which are not only more practical and implementable, but emphatically just. Until then, the inbred step-child of the free market will be tolerated, and improved where possible. The Christian should rest easy, for though things may be dire on this earth, a perfect and eternal system awaits those who put their faith, not in men or markets, but in Christ.

6 comments:

troutsky said...

Either" no one claimed any possesion was his own" or "those who owned property would sell.." You can't have it both ways. You write: Marx was opposed to private property. His true concern was the private ownership of productive property, that is,the ability to collect rent or expropriate profit by the mere fact of title.This is the beginning of class conflict,the serf and the Lord.In other words, own your own house, but don't make a profit charging rent to some poor person who can't afford their own.Would Jesus charge rent? Would he hire a fellow carpenter and extract wages to make a profit off his labor?Marx also advocated for the collective ownership of the means of production in order to maintain equal opportunity and an equal division of labor.(certain jobs,such as giving orders, more empowering than other jobs, such as taking orders)

Yes, socialists advocate for common productive property to be administered by the State because the state would be of the people, for the people and by the people and it would be administered through a system of participatory democracy, not the fraud called democracy you witness around you.If the state is to overly burdened a word, try council or community.

The good Pope states that this would "rob the lawful possessor" yet we must look at this system of laws and ask what is it's moral basis and does it truly serve justice as Christ would use the word.How are laws made? By whom and for what purpose? He goes on to state common ownership of the means of production would "distort the function of the state and create utter confusion in the community." What is the "function of the state" he holds to be so self evident? Based on what model, on what ethical imperative? Would this confusion be somehow a greater drag on civilized society than that of a system of fierce competition and agressive possesivness?

"Socialists,therefore, by endeavoring to transfer the property of individuals to the community at large.." This is a misunderstanding of socialist theory,as explained above and he is belaboring an irrelevant point.The question is not the "impelling reason or motive of his( man's) work" though I could argue that working for the common good is a noble and not utterly utopian concept ( priests and soldiers and social workers and volunteers etc..)but the system for remuneration and it is towards an analysis of the justice of this wage system he seems not to wish to venture.Within socialism you still have the "liberty of disposing of your earnings", though this is a mean and trivial way to use the word,hopefully not the liberty so many have died for.

"That man alone... is endowed with reason, it must be within his right to possess things.." From Reason to Rights to possession is quite a leap here which I cannot quite follow but once again he equates socialism with a forced restriction on earnings, perhaps reading a bit to much into the "to each according to his need" slogan.What if socialism was "to each according to his effort and sacrifice"?Does a janitor put in so much less effort than a CEO? Or "the free development of each is the condition for the free development of all"?
It is not enough, though, for the Christian to declare capitalism flawed yet not give us suggestions as to reforms.360,000 people died of malnutrition today in a world of plenty distributed by a capitalist system. Jesus weeps.And charity or distributism is a great way to feel better (temporarily)but leads to no structural solution, treats the system and ignores the disease.People don't want your charity ,they want justice.

troutsky said...

I meant treats the symptom.gettin late.

A Wiser Man Than I said...

Either" no one claimed any possesion was his own" or "those who owned property would sell.." You can't have it both ways.

Evidently I must, for the Word contains both phrases. We are safe to assume that a bit is lost in translation, but I still believe my interpretation to be accurate. You would disagree?

In other words, own your own house, but don't make a profit charging rent to some poor person who can't afford their own.Would Jesus charge rent?

My guess, and it is only a guess, is that Christ has no problem with charging someone rent, so long as it is done in a spirit of compassion. The good Lord may be dependent on this money for food for himself. It is certainly acceptable in the given clime, for without food, one does not eat.

Would he hire a fellow carpenter and extract wages to make a profit off his labor?

If Jesus is doing the hiring, he will be paying the carpenter, not taking from him. The government takes 40% of a man's earnings, giving pittance in return. Corporations are hounded--and rightfully so--for not paying men enough, but at least they are paying something.

Yes, socialists advocate for common productive property to be administered by the State because the state would be of the people, for the people and by the people and it would be administered through a system of participatory democracy, not the fraud called democracy you witness around you.If the state is to overly burdened a word, try council or community.

This is the theoretical part of socialism I do not understand. The State, in its present form, is evil and oppressive. What changes can be made to make the State good and just? The problem lies in man's predeliction for evil, and thus, any form of State comprised of men will be suspect to corruption.

What is the "function of the state" he holds to be so self evident? Based on what model, on what ethical imperative? Would this confusion be somehow a greater drag on civilized society than that of a system of fierce competition and agressive possesivness?

Without putting words in the Pope's mouth, I think he takes a look at the given system and says, we can work with this. A man can receive money for his work, even if it is less than he would desire. I still do not see how socialism would remove competiveness and possesiveness, which appear to be inherent in man. Capitalism utilizes these qualities; socialism ignores them--or so it seems.

Within socialism you still have the "liberty of disposing of your earnings", though this is a mean and trivial way to use the word, hopefully not the liberty so many have died for.

Do you? If private property is utterly abolished, do I get to purchase good books with the labor I do in cubedom?

What if socialism was "to each according to his effort and sacrifice"?Does a janitor put in so much less effort than a CEO?

Effort matters little in the grand scheme of things, unfortunately. I make a good deal of money as an intern, not because of the effort I put in--I'm commenting on my blog at work for goodness sake--but because the skills I possess are not altogether common among the population at large. The labor theory of economics is blatantly false, as Vox Day points out: http://www.voxday.net/cave/ltov.html

We cannot all be janitors, even if we work very hard at it. Someone must treat the ill, and without putting a premium on this line of work, it is unlikely people will undergo the outrageous amount of schooling necessary to become a certified doctor.

People don't want your charity, they want justice.

Which, unfortunately, cannot come through a socialist revolution.

troutsky said...

Either you own property or no possesion is your own.To claim both is illogical.I have no problem with your translation, it is the contradiction in the Good Book which seems odd.

In an economic system you cannot ensure someone will "charge rent in the spirit of compassion".Rent is usery in any sense, collecting for doing nothing,and hence immoral.I know this is difficult but remember in theory land ,everyone has a home and has enough to eat due to an equitable system of distribution and the bounty created when imperialist war is eliminated.

The carpenter works for eight hours and Jesus pays him eighty bucks.Jesus bills the project owner 100 bucks and keeps the profit.Welcome to capitalism.Jesus just stole 20 dollars.And again, you ARE the government ,or state, and you return to yourself what is fair.

Again, in a council system you have an equal say in every part of the production and distribution structure to the degree you are affected by that activity.There is no "coordinator" or bureaucrat class to be corrupted or to have power over others.Your democratic participation is the check and all people expressing their interests creates the balance.If the argument becomes metaphysical, good and evil, or we return to Hobbes (only self interest motivates)vs Kant (we can transcend this condition through reason)we are stuck but if in the spirit of debate we can each remain nuetral on the question of the "essential nature" of man and create a structure which provides safegaurds and mechanisms to channel self interest, which of course people will always have, we can proceed.

As for competetiveness, because someone is born with attributes which make him more competetive, can his advancement be justified on moral grounds? Can a just society be built on the gene pool lottery? I would say no.Doesnt someone who trys as hard deserve as much? We are not making people equal, we are providing equal opportunity.

"If private property is utterly abolished do I get to keep the books.." Once again, this is a critical distinction, you can possess property, you cannot collect usery off that property.Keep your books but don't sell them at a profit.If you want another book, work enough to buy it at COST ie production +distribution inputs= cost

Of course you don't get paid for your effort now,under the present system, but would not remuneration for effort be more just, in our theoretical system? A doctor would have put in more effort in terms of training so would recieve more remuneration, based on a consensus that rates that particular value.

Are we really comparing Vox Day and Karl Marx, in terms of their influence on economic theory?I guess i will have to look. How does he (or you ,or the Pope) propose to reform capitalism so that it works for more people?

A Wiser Man Than I said...

Either you own property or no possesion is your own.To claim both is illogical.I have no problem with your translation, it is the contradiction in the Good Book which seems odd.

Could it be a paradox? Christians owned property, but counted material things as so worthless that they simply shared them... just a thought; the passage is obviously more complex than it may appear.

Rent is usery in any sense, collecting for doing nothing,and hence immoral.

The renter is still providing a service, which is something. Thus, it is immoral only if the price is exorbitant. If the rentee feels the price is too high he may purchase land himself or rent elsewhere--this in theory.

The carpenter works for eight hours and Jesus pays him eighty bucks.Jesus bills the project owner 100 bucks and keeps the profit.Welcome to capitalism.Jesus just stole 20 dollars.And again, you ARE the government ,or state, and you return to yourself what is fair.

If our hypothetical carpenter can make eighty bucks on his own, he leaves Jesus who must build his own tables. If the carpenter stays, it is because it is in his best interest and Jesus is innocent of "stealing".

I don't trust the State because I hardly trust myself. I prefer trusting myself to trusting the masses, but I see little reason someone else would have trust in me.

Again, in a council system you have an equal say in every part of the production and distribution structure to the degree you are affected by that activity.There is no "coordinator" or bureaucrat class to be corrupted or to have power over others.

This is grand theory, but it is only that. You must demonstrate how socialism works on a grand scale. I accept small like-minded distributists sharing things, irrespective of the rule of the state, like in the early church. But state-wide socialism seems inherently corruptable, as we have seen thoughout history.

Can a just society be built on the gene pool lottery? I would say no.Doesnt someone who trys as hard deserve as much? We are not making people equal, we are providing equal opportunity.

I am a very good reader. Yet this skill does not merit big bucks in the market. My other skills, programming and the like, can be utilized. I can sit at home all day trying to understand, say Plato, and will not earn a cent, nor should I, though I will learn a thing or two. Conversely, I need not try quite so hard to program.

It is not important merely to try, but to do, and to do the right things. If an action does not produce a good or service, the community or the market will not and should not consider this task labor.

Men have differing abilities. It is unfortunate, perhaps, but we cannot escape it. Further, to use an earlier example, doctors are important to society, in ways janitors aren't, if only because most anyone can clean toilets. Society depends on disparities among abilitiesto function well.

If you want another book, work enough to buy it at COST ie production +distribution inputs= cost

I guess I'm still hazy on how the whole thing would work. The market is an arbiter, if a brutal one. Who--or what--replaces the market in a socialist system? Does the community determine the "price" of a book I wish to "buy"?

A doctor would have put in more effort in terms of training so would recieve more remuneration, based on a consensus that rates that particular value.

Again, I don't disagree that the market can be problematic, but I don't see a better arbiter of value.

Are we really comparing Vox Day and Karl Marx, in terms of their influence on economic theory?

Not exactly, but Vox has an economics degree, so he does have a clue as to what he is talking about.

How does he (or you ,or the Pope) propose to reform capitalism so that it works for more people?

The million dollar question. I think my earlier post about Chesterton and apple's summarized my ideas as I see them now, but should I think of another way out of this pickle I will let you know. Also, the Pope has some suggestions of his own in Rerum Novarum.

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